Scott Hamilton posted a story last week commenting on the backlog situation of the B737NG. He
Comes to the conclusion that there is a rather large gap and Boeing would
need more than 350 more orders to fill the production until the
B737MAX takes over in full.
How large the gap is depends on when exactly EIS of the B737MAX will be
and how fast Boeing (and the suppliers) can ramp up production:
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Showing posts with label B737NG. Show all posts
9/08/2015
8/03/2015
Boeing revises ranges of their aircraft
I already wrote back in 2012 that there is something not adding up in Boeing's range esimations for the B737MAX. Now Boeing officially revised the range numbers for all Boeing aircraft.
Boeing says this has to do with revised assumptions for pax, bags and seat weights. We don't know how Boeing revised those numbers, but as I wrote back then something did not add up from the beginning when comparing the range of the B737NG with the B737MAX.
Boeing says this has to do with revised assumptions for pax, bags and seat weights. We don't know how Boeing revised those numbers, but as I wrote back then something did not add up from the beginning when comparing the range of the B737NG with the B737MAX.
7/10/2015
A320neo testing running out of time for EIS 2015?
Yesterday Flightglobal reported that this year Boeing could, for the first time since 2001, deliver more narrowbodies than Airbus. Boeing delivered 243 civil B737 plus 6 for the US Navy until June 30, Airbus delivered 238 A320. Although normally Airbus delivers more aircraft in the second half of the year (H1 2014: 237, H2 2014: 253) and Boeing had also more deliveries in the first half o f 2014 (239), it will be hard for Airbus to beat Boeing this year. This has to do with the transition to the A320neo, where production times should be a little bit longer initially than for the A320ceo.
Also it is questionable if all planned A320neo deliveries in 2015 will be handed over this year. This is highly dependent on when flight testing with the PW1100G will restart and if there are no more hickups in the flight testing.The Flightglobal article suggests that flight tests will start once the now delivered engines are podded to the nacelles and integrated into the aircraft. This might be at the end of July. The last flight of a PW1100G powered A320neo happened on April 30th, so three months would be lost by then.
Airbus so far insists that deliveries will start towards the end of the year as planned. With the original first delivery targeted for the end of October, there must have been ample margin in the original flight test program or Airbus has to accelerate testing once the aircraft are back in the air.
But also the CFM LEAP-1A powered first A320neo has not been in the air for two weeks now. We don't know yet what is the reason here, if it is engine or aircraft related (although I would be very surprised if it has anything to do with the airframe). So any learning from the CFM powered aircraft that is transferable to the PW powered aircraft is delayed also.
The margin is getting shorter everyday, and Qatar Airways Akbar Al Baker alias U-Turn Al is probably already thinking about how he can make his "fun" out of the situation.
Also it is questionable if all planned A320neo deliveries in 2015 will be handed over this year. This is highly dependent on when flight testing with the PW1100G will restart and if there are no more hickups in the flight testing.The Flightglobal article suggests that flight tests will start once the now delivered engines are podded to the nacelles and integrated into the aircraft. This might be at the end of July. The last flight of a PW1100G powered A320neo happened on April 30th, so three months would be lost by then.
Airbus so far insists that deliveries will start towards the end of the year as planned. With the original first delivery targeted for the end of October, there must have been ample margin in the original flight test program or Airbus has to accelerate testing once the aircraft are back in the air.
But also the CFM LEAP-1A powered first A320neo has not been in the air for two weeks now. We don't know yet what is the reason here, if it is engine or aircraft related (although I would be very surprised if it has anything to do with the airframe). So any learning from the CFM powered aircraft that is transferable to the PW powered aircraft is delayed also.
The margin is getting shorter everyday, and Qatar Airways Akbar Al Baker alias U-Turn Al is probably already thinking about how he can make his "fun" out of the situation.
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Is there a China Narrowbody Order Gap?
Looking at data from ASCEND there is a gap in narrowbody orders from some chinese airlines. Look at China Eastern for example: before they announced to order 50 more B737NG for delivery between 2017 and 2019 their last four B737NG deliveries were scheduled for early 2017. So there would have been a delivery stream gap before China Eastern would get their first of 60 B737MAX in larger numbers.
The same can be said for other chinese airlines:
Air China and Shenzen already announced orders for a mix of 100 A320ceo & A320neo and I guess it is already in the books as part of the "undisclosed".
The same is true for China Eastern (70 A320neo) and China Southern (50 A320neo & 30 A320ceo). Some of the A320ceo aircraft subsequently trickled from the "undisclosed" to the China Eastern line of the Airbus O&D sheet. The same is true for Spring and Loong. Spring long ago announced to order 30 more A320ceo and they already might have ordered the A320neo. Also you can see some changes at Tibet Airlines.
The order for 60 A320neo from an "undisclosed asian customer" announced at the Paris Air Show might also be from China.
Bottom line: the most of the "Unidentified" or "Undisclosed" customers should be chinese airlines. There are probably not much more narrowbody orders to expect in the next few years.
The same can be said for other chinese airlines:
- Shandong, Shenzen and Xiamen all get their last B737NG this year. Xiamen already announced orders for 70 more B737NG and B737MAX and it could already be included as one from an "Unidentified Customer"
- China Southern also gets their last B737NG this year, so either they also have new orders in place as an "Unidentified Customer" or they will order soon
- Air China ran dry of new deliveries for B737NG's and does not have any (official) order for B737MAX
Air China and Shenzen already announced orders for a mix of 100 A320ceo & A320neo and I guess it is already in the books as part of the "undisclosed".
The same is true for China Eastern (70 A320neo) and China Southern (50 A320neo & 30 A320ceo). Some of the A320ceo aircraft subsequently trickled from the "undisclosed" to the China Eastern line of the Airbus O&D sheet. The same is true for Spring and Loong. Spring long ago announced to order 30 more A320ceo and they already might have ordered the A320neo. Also you can see some changes at Tibet Airlines.
The order for 60 A320neo from an "undisclosed asian customer" announced at the Paris Air Show might also be from China.
Bottom line: the most of the "Unidentified" or "Undisclosed" customers should be chinese airlines. There are probably not much more narrowbody orders to expect in the next few years.
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7/09/2015
A320ceo and B737NG backlog
After the B330 and B777 analysis, here is another update of the A320ceo and B737NG backlog.
Airbus is overbooked on the A320ceo for a long time now and also Boeing narrowed down
Airbus is overbooked on the A320ceo for a long time now and also Boeing narrowed down
12/10/2014
A320ceo and B737NG backlogs
As I wrote briefly last week, it looks like Airbus is increasingly overbooking the A320ceo. But what does "overbooking" mean? Well, I always compare the remaining backlog to what I think was the
12/05/2014
Airbus A320ceo overbooking
Today the Airbus Order & Deliveries spreadsheet for November 2014 was published. There are 89 new orders for the A320ceo family (the most from unidentified customers and my feeling is that these are chinese airlines). There is also the cancellation of 10 A321ceo's from Jetblue - they are taking 10 more A321neo instead. So there are 79 more net orders for the A320ceo line, which was heavily overbooked even before these new orders. I will do a deeper analysis next week, also including the situation for the B737NG.
10/07/2014
Boeing's B737 rate hike
I just read a very good comment from Richard Aboulafia regarding the rate hike for the B737MAX announced by Boeing last week.
I think he is right. The possibility that this rate hike will NOT be executed is higher than the possibility that we will really see the hike. Aboulafia points out several reasons why that is.
And there is another one (at least in my mind): and that is the fast pace that Boeing wants to transition from the B737NG to the B737MAX. The article by Dominic Gates points out that by 2018 when the rate hike would be kicking in the output of the B737MAX would reach 26 aircraft a month, thus 50% of the production. And another article at Flightglobal states that the last B737NG will be delivered to Ryanair in the second quarter of 2019. So the plan is to transition from the NG to the MAX in less than two years. This has two consequences:
I think he is right. The possibility that this rate hike will NOT be executed is higher than the possibility that we will really see the hike. Aboulafia points out several reasons why that is.
And there is another one (at least in my mind): and that is the fast pace that Boeing wants to transition from the B737NG to the B737MAX. The article by Dominic Gates points out that by 2018 when the rate hike would be kicking in the output of the B737MAX would reach 26 aircraft a month, thus 50% of the production. And another article at Flightglobal states that the last B737NG will be delivered to Ryanair in the second quarter of 2019. So the plan is to transition from the NG to the MAX in less than two years. This has two consequences:
- I often wrote about how many B737NG orders Boeing would need to fill the B737NG production slots until the B737MAX will take over full production. I assumed that the transition will take place in a similar manner than Airbus plans it for the A320. The hast A320ceo will be delivered in 2018, almost three years after the first delivery of the A320neo. Now if Boeing cuts the transition time to under two years, a lot less open B737NG production slots have to be filled. In a first guess I would say about 250.
- There is a big challenge for all B737MAX suppliers which have to produce parts that changed for the B737MAX compared to the B737NG design. The one supplier that will be most challenged is CFM (and CFM's suppliers as well). They have to handle the ramp up of the LEAP-1A for the A320neo and the LEAP-1B for the B737MAX almost simultaneously.
8/25/2014
Airbus converting ceo to neo, Boeing looking for NG sales
This is an update to an entry I wrote earlier about Airbus overbooking A320ceo slots.
Apparently Airbus now can easily convert A320ceo orders to the A320neo, as previously Airbus overbooked the remaining A320ceo slots. At the end of July 1503 orders for the A320ceo were in the backlog (3251 for the A320neo).
I expect a few more cancellations and conversions from A320ceo to A320neo:
With the same calculation I did last year (42 aircraft per month and 11.5 months of production per year) I get 638 deliveries until the end of October 2015, when the A320neo should go into airline service, leaving 817 A320ceo in the backlog.
At the end of December 2016 the backlog would be down by another 464 aircraft (I just saw that I made a mistake here last year), leaving 353 A320ceo in the backlog.
Building another 194 A320ceo in 2017 leaves Airbus with 159 A320ceo family aircraft in the backlog in 2018, where production of the A320ceo should end.
The situation is (still) very much different at Boeing - although Boeing always states that the B737NG is sold out.
There are 1755 open orders for the B737NG production line at the end of July 2014. I do not expect any cancellations (but there could be coming more conversions from the NG to the MAX). There are a few announced but not yet finalised NG sales:
So while Airbus can now make (some) customers happy by letting them convert A320ceo's to A320neo's, Boeing has to look hard for some more B737NG customers, while Boeing did let customers convert from NG to MAX very much earlier.
UPDATE:
As I wrote this BOC Aviation ordered 30 B737NG (along with 50 B737MAX)...
Apparently Airbus now can easily convert A320ceo orders to the A320neo, as previously Airbus overbooked the remaining A320ceo slots. At the end of July 1503 orders for the A320ceo were in the backlog (3251 for the A320neo).
I expect a few more cancellations and conversions from A320ceo to A320neo:
- Kingfisher 67 A/C
- Alphastream 15 A/C
- Sri Lankan 6 A/C
- Mexicana 4 A/C
- Croatia 4 A/C
- Hamburg Int. 2 A/C
- AirAsia 3 A/C (conversion to neo)
- Wizz 10 A/C (conversion to neo)
- Qingdao Airlines 5 A/C
- Zhejiang Loong 11 A/C
- Spring 30 A/C
- Juneyao Airlines 20 A/C
With the same calculation I did last year (42 aircraft per month and 11.5 months of production per year) I get 638 deliveries until the end of October 2015, when the A320neo should go into airline service, leaving 817 A320ceo in the backlog.
At the end of December 2016 the backlog would be down by another 464 aircraft (I just saw that I made a mistake here last year), leaving 353 A320ceo in the backlog.
Building another 194 A320ceo in 2017 leaves Airbus with 159 A320ceo family aircraft in the backlog in 2018, where production of the A320ceo should end.
The situation is (still) very much different at Boeing - although Boeing always states that the B737NG is sold out.
There are 1755 open orders for the B737NG production line at the end of July 2014. I do not expect any cancellations (but there could be coming more conversions from the NG to the MAX). There are a few announced but not yet finalised NG sales:
- Xiamen 40 A/C
- Air China 20 A/C
- Ruili 14 A/C
- Yakutia 12 A/C
- Oman Air 5 A/C
So while Airbus can now make (some) customers happy by letting them convert A320ceo's to A320neo's, Boeing has to look hard for some more B737NG customers, while Boeing did let customers convert from NG to MAX very much earlier.
UPDATE:
As I wrote this BOC Aviation ordered 30 B737NG (along with 50 B737MAX)...
6/03/2014
Transition times...
The next years it is all about transitioning! Well, I could divagate into what "transitioning" means for every one of us and if the whole world and the whole universe is transitioning from one state into the next every second...
No, it's only about aircraft programs this time. But there will be so much transitioning that one has to keep the real overview about what is happening.
First, there is the transition from the A320ceo to the A320neo. Aside from a recent hiccup in engine testing with an engine (PW1500G) very similar to the launch engine (PW1100G) for the A320neo there is no real threat for a smooth transition in production. The A320ceo is effectively sold out. At the end of April there were 1555 A320ceo family aircraft in the backlog. That should be enough to cover the outgoing production until 2018.
It is a little bit different for the B737NG and the transition to the B737MAX. Although officials from Boeing keep saying that the B737NG is sold out as well. But at the end of April there were 1791 copies in the books and Boeing's B737MAX comes almost two years later than the A320neo. But the difference of 240 aircraft in the backlog does not provide almost two additional years of production. So Boeing must have sold an additional 650 or so B737NG to cover production until full transition to the B737MAX.
Next is the B777: there were 286 open orders in the books at the end of April, covering 35 months of production at the current rate of 8.3 aircraft/month. This gets Being into 2017, but the B777X has an EIS of late 2019. A two year gap, so a rate cut is very likely, as Scott Hamilton reported.
Then there is the widely expected launch of the A330neo. There were 260 A330 series aircraft in the backlog at the end of April, lasting 26 months at the current rate of 10/month until mid 2016. The A330neo is expected to enter airline service in late 2017 or early 2018, so a rate cut is also almost a given here.
To be clear: both the B777 and the A330 will have a few further sales, but it won't be enough to bridge production with the current output rates.
Did I forget something? Yes - Embraer!
At the end of Q1 2014 there were 264 EJets in the backlog. Subtract 24 from Jetblue which will not be taken (at least not in the E1 version) and 7 for Nasair (they recently got rid of all their EJets and "transition" to an all Airbus fleet), so that is 233. Production is about 90 aircraft per year - that gets Embraer into the last quarter of 2016. I expect some options drawn for additional E175's for the three big american airlines (AA, DL and UA). But will these get them to a smooth transition to the E2 series jets, which should have an EIS in 2018 (E190E2), 2019 (E195) and 2020 (E175). I doubt that - Embraer should hurry up...
No, it's only about aircraft programs this time. But there will be so much transitioning that one has to keep the real overview about what is happening.
First, there is the transition from the A320ceo to the A320neo. Aside from a recent hiccup in engine testing with an engine (PW1500G) very similar to the launch engine (PW1100G) for the A320neo there is no real threat for a smooth transition in production. The A320ceo is effectively sold out. At the end of April there were 1555 A320ceo family aircraft in the backlog. That should be enough to cover the outgoing production until 2018.
It is a little bit different for the B737NG and the transition to the B737MAX. Although officials from Boeing keep saying that the B737NG is sold out as well. But at the end of April there were 1791 copies in the books and Boeing's B737MAX comes almost two years later than the A320neo. But the difference of 240 aircraft in the backlog does not provide almost two additional years of production. So Boeing must have sold an additional 650 or so B737NG to cover production until full transition to the B737MAX.
Next is the B777: there were 286 open orders in the books at the end of April, covering 35 months of production at the current rate of 8.3 aircraft/month. This gets Being into 2017, but the B777X has an EIS of late 2019. A two year gap, so a rate cut is very likely, as Scott Hamilton reported.
Then there is the widely expected launch of the A330neo. There were 260 A330 series aircraft in the backlog at the end of April, lasting 26 months at the current rate of 10/month until mid 2016. The A330neo is expected to enter airline service in late 2017 or early 2018, so a rate cut is also almost a given here.
To be clear: both the B777 and the A330 will have a few further sales, but it won't be enough to bridge production with the current output rates.
Did I forget something? Yes - Embraer!
At the end of Q1 2014 there were 264 EJets in the backlog. Subtract 24 from Jetblue which will not be taken (at least not in the E1 version) and 7 for Nasair (they recently got rid of all their EJets and "transition" to an all Airbus fleet), so that is 233. Production is about 90 aircraft per year - that gets Embraer into the last quarter of 2016. I expect some options drawn for additional E175's for the three big american airlines (AA, DL and UA). But will these get them to a smooth transition to the E2 series jets, which should have an EIS in 2018 (E190E2), 2019 (E195) and 2020 (E175). I doubt that - Embraer should hurry up...
12/11/2013
Boeing also having a "Fifth Season" this year?
After giving an outlook to Airbus' Fifth Season for this year yesterday, I want to look what we can expect from Boeing until the end of the year? Will it also be a record year? The last year was the year were Boeing took in a record number of orders, thanks largely to the B737MAX, which had it's first
11/19/2013
The pending A320 production increase (announcement)...
John Leahy just today stated (not for the first time) that Airbus thinks about an increase in A320 production. I think an increase is out of question. The flydubai order for up to 100 B737MAX-8 could be the last trigger.
flydubai reportedly leaned pro Airbus for some time. But after Boeing decided to bring B737 production up to 47 in 2017 they were able to offer MAX slots in the second half of 2017. And these 60 extra slots per year could now trigger more sale campaign wins for Boeing and the B737MAX versus the A320neo. So Airbus has to react quickly and try to find delivery slots especially in 2017 and 2018.
On the other hand Boeing's increase raises the question how many more B737NG slots have to be filled until mid 2017, as one should guess that there is not a step change once the B737MAX starts delivery and the increase to 47 per month should create some more delivery slots in 2016 and 2017 for the B737NG, which is already short of orders in my calculation.
flydubai reportedly leaned pro Airbus for some time. But after Boeing decided to bring B737 production up to 47 in 2017 they were able to offer MAX slots in the second half of 2017. And these 60 extra slots per year could now trigger more sale campaign wins for Boeing and the B737MAX versus the A320neo. So Airbus has to react quickly and try to find delivery slots especially in 2017 and 2018.
On the other hand Boeing's increase raises the question how many more B737NG slots have to be filled until mid 2017, as one should guess that there is not a step change once the B737MAX starts delivery and the increase to 47 per month should create some more delivery slots in 2016 and 2017 for the B737NG, which is already short of orders in my calculation.
11/08/2013
Boeing B737NG order drain
3/26/2013
More narrowbody orders
As
forecasted, we have already seen quite impressive narrowbody orders this
year, although the Paris Air Show is still ahead of us.
For example, there are already orders for 461 more A320neo
family aircraft – remarkably most of the for the A321neo – this year. In 2012
we saw 478 firm orders, some of which had already been announced at the Paris
Air Show in 2011.
The B737MAX had it’s big year in 2012, so we cannot expect
that we see more than the 949 orders from 2012 in 2013 again. So far the
B737MAX got 121 orders this year.
But I expect more big orders for both narrowbodies in 2013.
I already wrote about China and the needs of the airlines there, but now it
becomes clearer. According to CAPA (Centre for Aviation) , the China
Times writes that chinese airlines will order about 500 narrowbodies from both
Airbus and Boeing in 2013. About half of these orders would be for the neo and
MAX models. This would not only be a(nother) boost for both reengining
programs, it would also fill further the remaining delivery slots for the
current models.
Adam
Pilarski from AVITAS still thinks that we see a bubble with all these
narrowbody orders. He could be right – if we would see an economic crisis
hitting South East Asia and China, a lot of these orders would quickly
disappear. But as long as these economies are thriving, Airbus and Boeing (and
in the long run probably also Bombardier and Embraer) have nothing to fear but
not being able to quickly enough deliver the ordered aircraft.
3/19/2013
The Boeing - Ryanair deal
It looks like Ryanair and Boeing will today announce their
deal for (according to the latest information) 170 B737-800NG’s.
This deal will help both parties:
- Ryanair can grow further. They currently do not have any aircraft on order after the last was delivered in December 2012
- Boeing can fill a lot of open slots for the B737NG until the B737MAX arrives. I wrote about that earlier…
Rynair’s outspoken boss Michael O’Leary is (until today) not
positive about the B737MAX, naming the aircraft a “dog’s
dinner of a design”. Ordering new-built NG’s now means that Ryanair faces (for
example) Norwegian as a competitor who then flies the B737MAX. The B737MAX is
advertised by Boeing as burning 13% less fuel than the B737NG.
What does that mean? Knowing how Michael O’Leary likes to do
deals one could imagine that he demands a purchasing price for the NG’s that is
lower by the amount the NG’s are costing more in operating cost as they burn
more fuel.
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Fuel is hedged at approx. $1000/ton
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The $ is hedged at 1.32€
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The cost per pax ex fuel is 27€
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Revenue per pax is 51€
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Load factor is 81%
For the average sector length I found several information
(not directly from Ryanair) indicating it should be something like 1165km or
629nm.
Now I calculated the
fuel burn for a 629nm sector with 153pax (81%*189 seats). Fuel burn was
calculated at 8,951lbs or 4,060kg. Fuel costs are then $4,060 or 3,075€ per flight.
Per passenger this is $26.53 or 20.10€.
Total costs per passenger and flight is then
(27€+20.10€)=47.10€. Ryanair therefore makes a profit of 3.90€ per passenger –
not bad!
Now what would happen if Ryanair would switch to the
B737MAX? Fuel burn would be 13% less, about 17.50€ per passenger in other
words: profit per passenger would be
2.60€ or nearly 53% higher! Here you have the answer why both the A320neo and
the B737MAX are (and will be) so popular with Low Cost Carriers in particular.
If MOL wants to have the fuel burn difference as a lower
purchase price upfront we simply multiply the number of passengers one aircraft
carries over a year, multiply that with 2.60€ and with the number of years the
aircraft stays in service with Ryanair typically. You can get answers here
and I found out that seven years is a good number.
The summary of the Q3 2013 presentation says that with the
current fleet of 305 B737-800NG Ryanair will carry about 79million passengers this
year. Per aircraft this is 259,000 passengers. For seven years this is 4.713m.€
or $6.13m. worth of fuel costs versus a B737MAX. We can expect that this is the
“extra discount” that MOL demanded from Boeing compared to the deal that
Norwegian got for their B737MAX order last year – and we can expect that
Norwegian already got a good deal as they have been the European launch
customer for the B737MAX.
3/18/2013
Good days for the A320!
What a week for Airbus! John Leahy predicted at the
beginning of last week during his presentation at the ISTAT conference that
until the end of March Airbus will have more than 2000 orders for the A320neo. While
the number itself is technically just as good as 1900 or 2100, it justifies
once more the decision to go ahead with the neo program in December 2010.
Boeing, as it seems, was really caught by surprise, despite Airbus was talking about
the possible launch for months before deciding to launch the neo program.
Lufthansa
The Lufthansa order was not a big surprise. I
wrote about that in an earlier post. Nico Buchholz, VP
3/05/2013
Pricing pressure on the B737NG
Boeing for the first time acknowledged pricing pressure for
the B737NG yesterday, when Ray Conner, CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes spoke
at the JP Morgan Aerospace Conference. A synopsis can be found here
at Leeham News and Comment. Read also the comment to get an insight of what
readers think about how Boeing handles the battery problem of the B787.
Conner also said that there was (and is, I suppose) pricing pressure
on the B737MAX, but this is normal for new aircraft entering the market.
Where the pricing pressure comes from gets clear when we
look at the number of open orders and the orders Boeing has to fill until the
B737MAX enters service in late 2017 and until the B737MAX
1/28/2013
Narrowbody Outlook 2013
After Boeing and Airbus unveiled their final order and
delivery numbers for 2012 it is now time to turn to what is ahead. What will
2013 bring us in the narrowbody segment?
Let’s begin with deliveries – this is quite easy:
·
Airbus stabilizes their output rate at 42/month
and will deliver 480-485 A320 family aircraft (ca. 11.5*42 as we have to take
the summer break into account)
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Boeing will increase the delivery rate
towards 38 B737NG’s per month and
therefore deliver between 450-460 narrowbodies.
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Bombardier will deliver the first CS100 in 2014,
so A & B are (probably for the last time) alone.
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1/17/2013
Narrowbody Review 2012 Part 2
After the Airbus Press Conference is over we now have the long awaited numbers of orders and
10/07/2012
Pegasus Order
The turkish carrier Pegasus is about to announce their choice for the next 100 narrowbodies, ATWonline reports. The airline has already decided on which aircraft to take, ATW says and wants to announce it shortly. Obviously A320neo and the B737MAX are in the competition. As Pegasus has a fleet of 40 B737-800NG and two B737-400 right now I would rule out the CS300 as it would be a smaller aircraft than the ones currently in use.
One sentence in the article might give us a hint who will be the winner:
"The carrier expects to start receiving the new aircraft in around three years."
1. In 2015 only the A320neo is available, the B737MAX is coming to the market two years later. So one might think that the A320neo might be the aircraft of choice.
2. But as I laid out earlier, Boeing has about 1,000 B737NG positions to sell until the B737MAX will be the only B737 version produce by Boeing, which could happen in late 2019, about two years after EIS of the B737MAX.
So my guess is that Boeing made an irresistible offer to Pegasus. As Boeing is the provider of the current fleet, they have to loose more than Airbus anyway here.
But let's don't underestimate John Leahy - maybe he surprises us (well, at least me) one more time. But my bet is on Boeing here!
One sentence in the article might give us a hint who will be the winner:
"The carrier expects to start receiving the new aircraft in around three years."
1. In 2015 only the A320neo is available, the B737MAX is coming to the market two years later. So one might think that the A320neo might be the aircraft of choice.
2. But as I laid out earlier, Boeing has about 1,000 B737NG positions to sell until the B737MAX will be the only B737 version produce by Boeing, which could happen in late 2019, about two years after EIS of the B737MAX.
So my guess is that Boeing made an irresistible offer to Pegasus. As Boeing is the provider of the current fleet, they have to loose more than Airbus anyway here.
But let's don't underestimate John Leahy - maybe he surprises us (well, at least me) one more time. But my bet is on Boeing here!
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